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Ep. #43: How My Husband and I Stayed Together for 20 Years Without Losing Ourselves

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What makes a relationship actually work when both people are evolving?

Skip and I have been together for 20 years—and not because it’s been perfect.

We’ve fought. We’ve grown. We even got energetically divorced.

But the reason we’re still thriving today isn’t because we avoided the hard stuff—it’s because we handled it.

In this episode, we break down:

  • Our raw, unfiltered communication style
  • The moment we energetically ended our first marriage
  • How we navigated parenting, polarity, and personal growth
  • What it takes to support your partner—without losing yourself
  • Why masculinity and money are NOT the same thing
  • And what real feminine leadership inside a relationship looks like

This isn’t therapy talk or relationship fluff.

This is the truth about what it takes to stay in your power and stay together.

If you're growing fast and wondering if your relationship can handle it—this is for you.

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Casey:

this is Skip and K, CQ and a. The first question, let me find it cause they, all right. First question. And by the way, skip, we have been married, oh fuck. We got together in 2020. Wait 2005. So how long have we been married?

Skip:

20, no, not 18 years. 18 years. We've

Casey:

been together 20 years.

Skip:

That'll be 19 July 21st.

Casey:

Badass. Okay. And we got divorced energetically. When was that? 2023? Yeah. That was cool. That was really cool. NAR. We go over that. NMR everything. Okay. So the first question is, I would love to hear about your communication style with each other. I love relationship by design and it was really helpful in communicating and connecting with my husband. So maybe more of that. So what would you say our communication style is? And I'm guessing she's asking like, how do we handle communicating when we have problems, fights, upsets kids? What would you say?

Skip:

What makes it work? Or, oh, wait a minute. One second. Just some descriptions.

Casey:

One second. Let's do this. What makes it work? Okay.

Skip:

Is that what she's asking?

Casey:

Yeah. So the first question is, I would love to hear more about your communication style with each other. I love relationship by design. It was really helpful in communicating and connecting with my husband. So maybe some more of that. So really just

Skip:

or So our style.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

Okay. So we don't, we do not sit around the dinner table. True. We do not. Schedule a time to talk about stuff. I would say just if we sense something, we just did it. If we sense something that's fricking causing problems, we address it no matter how ugly it may get

Casey:

Right then and there.

Skip:

Right then and there.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

If you yell at me or cut me down or I yell at you, it's, we don't, it doesn't lead. Do

Casey:

we yell or snap?

Skip:

I think we allow triggers. I've never been hurtful.

Casey:

I don't just all of a sudden yell at you. I guess

Skip:

what I'm saying is if it were to happen,

Casey:

yeah.

Skip:

It wouldn't become the problem. I. Our style of communication is if you send me an email or possibly slap me across the face, all of that goes if it's what it takes to get the point across and settle it so that we can move past it.

Casey:

That last thing we got into that last, it was like, what was it two weeks ago? Something happened and it was a buildup.'cause I was rapidly shifting and I remember, God, I can't remember what it was, but we got, that was like the last time we got pretty fucking heated. And how often would you say that happens? Twice a year.

Skip:

Yeah. Once or twice. But it's only been, we don't spend much time together. So sht that used to just get handled, gets built up now. And I felt like in that situation that you just mentioned, I think I remember feeling like just really disrespected. Had built up over time.

Casey:

When we haven't had time together, that's what it is.

Skip:

Yeah. And things get built up that we would normally handle in our normal style that this, that, this, that she's asking about. We handle stuff at this point. Always full stop. We made a kind of a deal at the beginning that infidelity was never gonna be an issue. Okay. I was gonna tell the story. Let me go back to me telling the story because it's a lot better story. So we're laying in bed one night after what, maybe about three months being together. Maybe not even that long.

Casey:

Don't have two months. I dunno.

Skip:

But I guess the situa I had been cheated on sexually and that was basically, I was like, I guess you could probably do anything to me whatsoever, but cheat on me. And I think we made a deal and I said it's a kinda like a glass that's filled with clear, just crystal clear water. That water level can get down pretty fucking dry.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

But as long as it's still clear we can get through anything.

Casey:

Yeah. And that's. That's we've both been pretty good. We've never been like emotional cheaters or anything. I, at one point I wanted to leave you and fuck a hot guy, but that was after I had kids and I was going through massive shit. We didn't, but I never did that. I never, yeah.

Skip:

And then later though, that was causing, that whole thing held us together, but we learned that it was codependent too. And I realized that whole feeling was codependent. And then that kinda led to our, what was it? Our emotional, energetic divorce. So then we didn't need the water anymore, but our style of communicating has always still stayed the same. We handle

Casey:

it right then and there now. And we never, ever, one thing, we never do, ever. It's been, we've been together 20 years. You do not cut at me. I don't cut at you. Now. Have we done that? Un unintentionally. Yeah. Like one time I said, oh my God, you look like your dad right here. And he took it fucking the wrong way. And what I meant was

Skip:

sometimes you say, I'm a fucking pussy and I'm weak. But that I used to, that used to hurt my feelings. Now I just take it as I'm not being masculine.

Casey:

Oh yeah. Like when we got into that last spat, I was like, you're being weak right now and you're being a pussy.

Skip:

So I had to look up what pussy actually meant, and it's not a female body part. I'm being a. Raus.

Casey:

Yeah. It's like pini. It's like this long word.

Skip:

It means lack of courage and stamina.

Casey:

Yeah. Yeah. And that's usually the woman who, yeah. Yeah. So we knew what was happening, but we haven't fucking spent time together. The times we've been the most where we'll be, like both of us will be s fuck. It'll be like nighttime. We'll both be like all like depressed. You can tell we're like sad puppies because we just miss each other and we're just, we're, or we've got our windows up and shit like that. But it's just because we haven't spent any time together. We've been going, we don't have any help with kids. We don't have parents, we don't have babysitters. Like we really skip has these kids 18 hours day, but that's our choice. It is our choice.

Skip:

One, we can afford it. Two, my biggest thing is I just don't trust my kids with anybody else, and that's gonna be a problem later on. I'm just not dealing with it right now.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

I don't wanna send'em to school. I don't wanna give'em a babysitter. Everything. I'm just a little tainted on that. I'll just take care of'em for a minute.

Casey:

And we do have a babysitter that comes for three hours. But we really have to just like you would work your business and make sure you're making cells in your body. Like we have to make sure we are getting a date or some two hours without kids. Okay.

Skip:

The question was about style

Casey:

though. Communication style. And the

Skip:

style is we handle it full there right then and there with no intention to hurt each other. Yeah. And if there were intentions to hurt each other, now we've got a deeper problem. Yes. It could have possibly be a dirty water in our glass.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

So anyway, that's,

Casey:

who has time for fucking side dick? Dear God. Okay. It's just sabotage. That's really, so the next one says, I realized I've been overmanaging everything because deep down I want my husband to prove he can protect and take care of me. But he consistently gets overwhelmed by responsibilities that I can easily, that I handle easily. So skip, how do you show up as the masculine protector for Casey when she's clearly capable of handling everything herself and then she asks a question for me.

Skip:

So reframe that question.'cause Skip didn't quite understand that

Casey:

God love him. So she's been micromanaging everything.'cause deep down she wants her husband to protect and take care of her, but he gets overwhelmed because it's shit that she handles easily. So how do you show up and protect me even though I can do everything myself?

Skip:

Pause. Just

Casey:

here, I'll just read

Skip:

it again.

Casey:

She's asking what really is happening. She's is, he's not in her feminine.

Skip:

She's asking, ah, no, I, it's that they're codependent. She's making him feel weak by doing everything and then probably emasculates him by making it look so easy. And if it's so easy for her to do it, then why does she want him to do it? And then he believes if he was able to do all that stuff, that's what she wants him to do, when really he just needs to be a safe place. And obviously just let her do all that stuff. So how does Skip do it? I'm an energy that lets her go and do everything, and then if she runs into a block or something, then I stand there as much as I can and provide support for her to get through it if it is something that she wants to hand over to me because. She just don't wanna deal with it. Like she has to deal with it all the time. Then I let her know that I'm a safe place to be, but in no way form equipped to handle her problem. So I'm thinking that's how it goes.

Casey:

What it, you called it, she's not in her feminine.

Skip:

Yeah. And but it it true what can we do until that happens, she asking

Casey:

me, let me, here's the next question she had, Casey,

Skip:

because her husband feels that way, literally for the reasons I just said. I felt that way before. So he has some work he's gotta do too, because what does

Casey:

he have to do?

Skip:

She, he's gotta learn that him strengthening himself is what energetically provides that safe feeling to her. But

Casey:

how does he strengthen himself?

Skip:

He gotta fix all his problems. Quit worrying about her so fucking, how would he men go inward, man.

Casey:

Go inward. God,

Skip:

boy.

Casey:

Okay. You first, you stop doing

Skip:

alcohol. Yeah. Pick one. Pick something that you don't have control over to try to get control over and see how much fucking power you as a man's left with.'cause that's the power that makes her feel safe. So if you don't have the power to crush one of the small little addictions that you may possibly have, not even the big ones, not even drinking or yanking your cock. It's gotta be just a small addiction, like

Casey:

buying something at the store.

Skip:

Fucking scrolling. Scrolling, okay. Yeah. Buying something. Fantasy football, something at the store. Yeah. Fucking hanging out with the same buddy all the time.'cause he gives you what your wife won't give you deal with some of your own shit so that you become a stronger vessel that she feels can protect her now. Okay, next question.

Casey:

She asked me, and this ties into it'cause it's codependency, right? So this is where I

Skip:

see that's a hard one, man. Yeah. But marriage isn't worth it if you're codependent.

Casey:

So she says, Casey, how do you allow yourself to surrender to femininity without feeling unsafe? Ayahuasca. I'm just kidding. How do I The answer? No, it's not the answer. I'm just joking.'Cause people do it all the time as they're not in their feminine. So I would say what helps me to surrender to my feminine is I had to make a conscious decision to leave, skip behind and be okay on my own. That's it.

Skip:

But my question along this line is you step way into what is perceived as masculine to where you could lose that, what's perceived as feminine. The crazy thing is that's toxic masculine. If man's doing it, it's the, you I'm going to be the breadwinner. I'm coming home, I'm making all those decisions. You have to plead ready for me. What'd you say? No, you just need to suck Dick before we go to bed. That man isn't masculine when you, that man's living the life that, strong female that's doing a lot of the stuff, she's doing a lot of that shit.

Casey:

I also don't have resentment for, I used to have moments of resentment, but now we, we partner, you've got the kid, you handle everything, the house and the kids and the, all that shit, but how do I allow myself to surrender to femininity? First of all, I couldn't continue, not, I couldn't continue it. It was too costly to not surrender. What do the feelings of resentment, the feelings of me and skip not feeling the way I wanted it to feel, not making the money I wanted to make. I had to just fucking it.

Skip:

What does she mean by surrender to femininity? What would that mean?

Casey:

It's her perceived perception of femininity. I think maybe she's seeing feminine as just giving up and just sitting back and letting things come to you. And that's not feminine. Feminine is very, I feminine is if you think about birthing a child, people think that feminine is just like sitting back and getting impregnated. No. That is the seed being, the femininity is going through life and then the baby's being created in you and then laboring and then taking care of that child. Femininity is everything, but laying back and feeling pleasure filled silk robes and himalayans and salt baths feminine. And that's where a lot of, toxic shit about masculine is too. Like you're supposed to be a protector and be able to do everything. No, true feminine energy

Skip:

is her feminine energy safe then and her masculine energy? Let's take the man out of it

Casey:

for a second. Okay.

Skip:

Because if they were not codependent, he would be out. Because

Casey:

truth, masculine energy,

Skip:

like she's handling a lot of masculine energy and she has to reject a lot of feminine energy to do it. That's it. Thought you have to do it. You had to do that. So you had to fucking work your bath into your computer has to sit across the bathtub. That's how you manage. So

Casey:

that's a whole different conversation about femininity and not feeling unsafe. Is that, is the thing is you gotta be brave. Because it's just trusting the unknown. That's really it is trusting the unknown, trusting your power and trusting that I'm gonna choose me regardless. And that's where the codependency fell back. Like I stopped needing skip to do and be in any, I stopped making skip this thing that needed to, I needed to make me feel a certain way. I just was like, Casey. You're gonna make yourself feel every way. If you wanna feel loved, if you wanna feel this, give it to yourself first and then everything else works out. And I had, that was my work. That was have been my life's work. Wouldn't you say

Skip:

that's a hundred percent. And then that masculinity that you categorized with you attracts the masculinity in me. That's natural.'cause you'll look at me and say that, hell, you'll hug me sometimes and I'll know that it's out of me being safe and I didn't do shit to be safe.

Casey:

Oh yeah. Sometimes I'll just be like, will you just hold me?

Skip:

Yeah.

Casey:

Yeah. Just hold me. Just let me sit and let me just hold me. Yeah. Okay. Next one is, hold on. Skip. What is the male version of optimum hormones? Do you work with Casey's doctors too? Any advice on getting a male to start thinking about their health more? It's the last thing that mine thinks about and he, how he was brought up in the culture where we live, they live in like middle America fucking ranching. Shit. A man's the man and the, it's fucking wounded, masculine, there's no emotion, blah, blah, blah. That shit.

Skip:

More scars you got on the body.

Casey:

The or ya.

Skip:

Yeah.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

Moisturizer.

Casey:

Yeah. That's your secret. Okay. So what I was just getting, don't tell her that. What's the male version of optimal hormones like when do you know? Let's talk about that.

Skip:

Let's just, she's Christ. Scientifically talk about it like 800 to 1200 test level will change you. You're not same human anymore. Let's

Casey:

talk about that one. How does this house go when your test drops when you become a bitch?

Skip:

Oh, it's let's you know. Let's just say if my test gets below 400. Then I am I'm depending on everybody in the house. I'm, he's a little bitch. He is a little fucking

Casey:

bitch. He is a little fucking bitch. You're like an emotional woman.

Skip:

Yeah, I would, it's a nightmare. If I had a business, I would lose it. Like I get to the point where I can't. Yeah. He gets

Casey:

fat. He doesn't do anything for himself. He just miserable and fucking

Skip:

And depressed.

Casey:

And depressed. Yeah.

Skip:

Very addictive. Like I get addicted to everything. If my, I would get addicted to everything because I'm seeking pleasure because my life isn't vibrant enough to provide pleasure.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

It's awful. So just if they went and did a blood panel and came back with their test levels under 700, they ain't the rancher they think they are. Yeah. And the lower that level gets, the more chip on the shoulder, they get about being tough.

Casey:

And then what does their body look like? Like when your hormones get, they're not optimal.

Skip:

Like you're wearing a coat under every T-shirt. All right, because you're so fucking funny. I fucking take the sweater off, but take your undershirt sweater off, buddy. No, you just, fuck. What about your

Casey:

dick? How do you, how does sex, like what does this, how does that work?

Skip:

Yeah. I didn't have a growth it wouldn't I, I've heard that you can't you have, what do you call that, where it won't get up and stuff? Imp impotence. I think they have different categories, but I think like my hard enough remember it would get it. Just the hard wasn't hard.

Casey:

So it would get hard. Two is, it would get hard, but not like rock, like brick,

Skip:

as the boys two is. I'm wanting the type of sex that makes me feel like a man type thing. Does that makes sense? Ooh.

Casey:

How gimme

Skip:

the difference. Ah. It's just like I care less about your feelings and more about me getting my feeling.

Casey:

Oh, okay.

Skip:

There's, you know that'cause I treat you different, I'll just kinda, I hate it.

Casey:

I was like, that's why you never wanna have sex. And I, this was a long time ago and I was like, Ooh, fuck. Not with that.

Skip:

I wanna have sex, but I'm too much of a pussy to feel your shit and make you want to have sex with me. Yeah. Now you just won't give it to me. So I get mad. Oh, Jesus Christ, because I didn't do enough of the dishes. Come on,

Casey:

skip. You're funny. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Now any advice on getting him to start thinking about his health more?

Skip:

Just do a blood and just say it like, fucking, but what if

Casey:

he won't even do that? How's she even sell him to go to a blood panel?

Skip:

Fucking indicate low test. No fucking man wants to be low test. He don't even wanna be considered. So all

Casey:

sh So you think she needs to say somebody's his dick?

Skip:

I wonder what your test levels are.

Casey:

And then he'd be like,

Skip:

why? Tell her to go on his, can she go on his phone and like search? Hormone therapy, THD.'cause then he'll get every fucking ad from everything. He won't even be able to pick up his phone that he don't see, get your hormones checked. So

Casey:

get on his phone and start looking at all testosterone, all the things. Okay. Or send

Skip:

him a couple that he can open if they have, because social media's big for you. And I, we should probably say that we communicate mainly Yeah. Through true shit we see. Because if you send me a video

Casey:

Yeah,

Skip:

I, that tells me a thousand words of where you're at in life.

Casey:

All right. All right.

Skip:

So if they don't have a communication where they share funny shit back and forth and stuff Yeah. Then she can't manipulate his, Oh

Casey:

really?

Skip:

So then just what

Casey:

if she says something about his dick?

Skip:

I think oh, I more about aggressiveness. Okay. He's not gonna feel as vibrant as he used to when he was younger. So maybe it would be like, you remember back when you would back to different, in this situation you know what I'm saying?

Casey:

Okay. All right. Now

Skip:

something that just indicates that you're aging as a man.

Casey:

Okay. All right. Yeah, that'd get women too by aging. Okay. Now this one says, how does skip feel insecure? Like, how does he keep feeling secure in your masculinity? Having such a powerhouse as a wife and me being the main breadwinner

Skip:

man, that was probably the hardest sacrifice emotionally that I had to go through, that I didn't realize was part of the deal. When I, when we moved to Florida and I quit an income, I wasn't sure how long it was gonna take to redo an income or whatever, but I did not realize it was gonna be like a midlife crisis reset for me, to the point where I've just forgotten, oh, man, my insecurities.

Casey:

How old were you? I.

Skip:

When,

Casey:

so we moved in 2020. You stopped working. When was that?

Skip:

45 years

Casey:

old. You were 45 years old. All right. So yeah. How'd you keep feeling secure?

Skip:

I didn't, I got so insecure that I've believed I, I've, you can't tell me I didn't commit suicide. So he tried to commit. You tried to commit suicide. I was very suicidal at the point that I had depended that I was, my life was in your hands. Now I have left all my network

Casey:

getting emotional,

Skip:

like fully dependent on you. But then I couldn't be co-dependent.

Casey:

Oh God. So

Skip:

where'd that put me? So

Casey:

you were an alcoholic at the time too? Oh

Skip:

yeah. So just more of that, that wasn't helping. Now I'm spending fucking, what,$40 a day on beer and it ain't even my money. It's your money. Oh. Holy fuck. Yeah. Yeah. How does Skip deal with that? I don't think I'm the best answer. I'm not a, what I'm saying is, my answer is, dude, you gotta go through some goddamn shit. But once you do get through it, it's fucking worth it. Big time.

Casey:

So how did you, what you do, step one,

Skip:

searching for a step one. When did it begin? Let's see, let's just go with now. Like today?

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

How do I deal with, if I meet somebody out somewhere, I don't have any insecurities in our relationship of you bringing home the money. So let's just say that was dealt with on a deeper end level of, I would say that was more of a marriage type or relationship thing. What do I do when a guy looks at me and I'm the one with the two kids and I don't have an income or anything, and he's looking at me like a 50-year-old successful man, but I don't, I may only have whatever case he said money I could use today, which was like maybe 50 bucks. I had to deal with that insecurity because at first I was resentment towards you for only giving me such a little money to where if, I went through that with so then if I have the kids, then they need to be, I need to treat homeschooling and home parenting like it's my full-time job. And then that's when I did that.

Casey:

What about now how you get to, 2,500 every week? Does that help or No,

Skip:

I don't think I. Like the finance does. Oh, does that help? Let's just say you feeling

Casey:

more secure or No,

Skip:

I don't see that, what I mentioned even before I've got beyond just how much money you give me, whether I feel secure. Oh, okay. Then it was, how do I feel when men see me and I'm living the female role

Casey:

So it's not necessarily about what's in the account. It's

Skip:

Oh no. Mine turned into like my Reput. I don't have reputation that much, but like when the role that I am in life is that I'm not the breadwinner. I'm not the, I. I don't know what our business is doing, but I know what the kids had to eat today. Yeah. I know how much they weigh. You

Casey:

know what's happening at this home school. I

Skip:

know what size shoes they wear. Like I know everything. You get their hair cut,

Casey:

you get their dentist office, you get their doctor appointments.

Skip:

They like their hair. I know how they don't, you know what they're going

Casey:

through emotionally.

Skip:

Yeah. So as a man, that became important to me when I realized you wanted to handle the money.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

If you were going to be the breadwinner. Let me see if I can fully embrace the parent, the full-time parent.

Casey:

And also you saw that I didn't wanna be like a mommy. Like I love being a mother, like a, I like being a mommy, but I didn't wanna be a, whatever you wanna call'em. You know how women are very like hands-on. I didn't want, I don't want that uhuh,

Skip:

the type. And I had to realize that the type of girl that I like, the type of woman that I like. Yeah. Isn't that type of woman?

Casey:

No.

Skip:

No, it's not the. Stay at home. Mom I'm, I wanna

Casey:

be with every moment of my child's life. I'm like, no. I know. What kind of mom would you say I am?

Skip:

What type, what? How are you? What if

Casey:

I'm not the kind that's like a stay at home mom. Wanna be there for every second and not miss anything? What kind what would you, how what, how do I, mom?

Skip:

A big difference between being a mom and a parent.

Casey:

Okay.

Skip:

And then as a parent, that's your more day-to-day, you fight with'em, you establish, some sort of position that you're gonna be able to operate from early in the morning, this and that. I would say that not many moms, if your kids go to school and stuff, you don't reach that level of parenting.

Casey:

No.

Skip:

Okay. You're co-parenting with the state,

Casey:

with the system.

Skip:

Yeah. Yeah. And if you go to private school, your co-parenting would go,

Casey:

yeah.

Skip:

This independent education where our kids have very little in. Our family is very protected from the outside world.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

We are very selective of who gets inside that circle.'cause we can be, but that requires a lot of fucking responsibility. Oh yeah.'cause everything's on you, you're your kid's enemy. You're your kid's friend. You're your kid's. Everything. If they gonna hate a teacher at school and come home and talk to you about it and you get to console them on how she's the batty

Casey:

or another kid,

Skip:

now let, the only person that can be the baddie is Casey. And now they gotta come to me and I've gotta work on that. I can't blame Casey. Yeah. We gotta handle this shit. Some, you gotta bring'em right on in. There's a whole different level of parenting. We have

Casey:

such a tight family. We have such a tight'cause

Skip:

There's not there's nothing in between what we have. And now you having people help you.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

I choose, I. To have it the way we have it. I love it right now just because it's,

Casey:

but a lot of women are like, they don't know they are that type of mom. They're, and they're trying to build businesses and they're trying to also be a stay-at-home mom. But they're also,

Skip:

but they choose to be,

Casey:

but they wanna know like, why they're not making more money. And it's because you're trying to be a stay at home mom fully and build a business. You can't do that.

Skip:

I wouldn't be able to tell. I come from the place that if I wa if I was even trying to make any money, I couldn't parent the way I parent the kids.

Casey:

No. Even when I was building the business and you were gone working and stuff, and I had sitters and then I did have kids. I still made a big point of I needed, two, three hour blocks of work time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So how do you keep your masculinity? I think that people think that masculinity apparently is only making money. So that's the first problem

Skip:

I have to define my masculinity.

Casey:

Yeah. What is masculinity? Because you're very fucking muscular. God damn. That's why I like you. You're very alpha male and I'm very alpha female. Yeah. You're just not insecure. You're just not insecure.

Skip:

The more s the more masculinity to me can be physically dangerous. It can be physically, it's very 3D. It's very physically safe that where you would go for physical safeness can also be that dangerous and the level of danger that you can

Casey:

bestow upon live with. Yeah.

Skip:

Manage. Yeah. Creates that level of true masculinity is, let me see. Somebody who's just wicked to the core.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

And they've met that person.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

And they've dealt with it. Yeah. And luckily you don't have to see that person ever.

Casey:

Yeah. Oh yeah.

Skip:

Versus the one who's scared of that person and tries to avoid it.

Casey:

It's like women, they're scared of their anger. So it's like men, that's

Skip:

where you get to your true

Casey:

divinity. Yeah, divinity. Yeah.

Skip:

Which is your divinity. Yeah. You've got to meet the worst part of you to ever be able to live with. The best part of

Casey:

you. And I did in California, when I did ayahuasca, remember that time that I, part of me died. That was, that wounded feminine. You did that with your masculine, you sat with your fucking rage, your, all the abuse

Skip:

realiz that it didn't go anywhere. No. It's all still right. It's right there. Yep. But it's, I can pull energy from it now. Yeah. It's not something that's,

Casey:

and you're pretty sober.

Skip:

You don't I would go, there you go again. You only do remember back when I said that you're highly addicted if you lose your testosterone, it goes lower. Testosterone. Yeah. I, that's all part of being masculine. So when that thing gets lower, you get a dip of the shit.

Casey:

So you don't hold on. So you don't do caffeine, you don't do cigarettes, you don't do alcohol. You pretty much are real clean.

Skip:

Very minimum sugar. Yeah. You do plant

Casey:

medicine how often? Annually. And then you hit, like you hit some I did. We micro mushrooms, right? Yeah. Oh, you do ganja. Yeah. He has ganja. Yeah.

Skip:

I'm at any given point you cry.

Casey:

You cry a lot. Fucking you cry all the time.

Skip:

Question. Yeah.

Casey:

Yeah. Yes. Gets very in touch with more, with his emotions than ever. He's still not, like a woman, but he's way, that's why he's safe. Yeah. Okay. So ultimately, how do you keep your masculinity is

Skip:

understanding and identifying the masculinity that I wish to obtain.

Casey:

Yeah.'cause so many men are fucking brainwashed. They think masculinity means just go make a paycheck. I'm like, oh my God.

Skip:

Or that it's

Casey:

tough. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all are like, masculine means tough. Yeah.

Skip:

Or resilience also.

Casey:

Hey, being in shape, being masculine to me is your fucking, do you have a goddamn gut? Gut, like a belly that's not masculine.

Skip:

And again, that falls in line with

Casey:

femininity. Same thing. It's femininity. It's like your beau. Beauty. Femininity. Okay. So next it says if there are times that you struggle and how do you bring himself back when you, like, when you get insecure.

Skip:

I check my testosterone.

Casey:

Okay.

Skip:

Check my blood levels once again. Okay. You're gonna go ahead and get 3D out of it? Yeah, because if the blood panel doesn't tell me what's wrong.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

That's why we have it as part of our system. And do I use the same doctors? Absolutely.

Casey:

He uses the LA Doc. No. Yes. You used LA doctors? Yeah. When was the last time you got insecure?

Skip:

Oh, shoot,

Casey:

man. You ever get insecure about me With like men or how me looking hot going out or like business trips or anything?

Skip:

No, I don't.

Casey:

Why? That's what we need to be talking about because so many women skip, they stay fat and broke because it makes their man feel insecure. Like they literally have fights when she starts losing weight and feels hot. So that means he's cheating.

Skip:

I don't think it's it's her choice to be held back. I wouldn't respect a man like that. Oh, wouldn't, there's not much masculinity in, there's not

Casey:

a man there. He's a little boy, little wounded boy. That's a

Skip:

little boy. As a little boy. That's my 10-year-old. He needs her to be his mommy. Mom. That's my 10-year-old right there. Yeah. Wounded at that. Yeah. So I'm sorry that she even feels like she wants to try to grow that motherfucker up.

Casey:

All right. All right.

Skip:

And then usually a conversation maybe around those lines. We'll grow'em up and they'll who they lean on. I'm gonna say that mom's either still alive. Dad's still alive.

Casey:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. See that's another thing. We don't have parents. So Skip's parents are dead. My parents are basically dead. We don't have any parents. So would you say that keeps people in their,

Skip:

you can definitely not grow mature if you still have that level of

Casey:

your mommy and daddy's alive.

Skip:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't even say just alive. I would say that people who no longer have contact with her seem to be a little more.

Casey:

What? Sure.

Skip:

Yeah.

Casey:

All right. That's good. That's solid.

Skip:

That doesn't mean you, I would love to still have a relationship with my dad. Yeah. I think I could still not depend on them.

Casey:

Yeah. People would depend on their parents emotionally and more importantly, people feel you know how I used to feel when I talk to my dad, like they feel like, oh, we talk every day. And it's yeah, you're doing it because you're their emotional source of happiness. They don't have a life outside of you. And it's like you wanna know why you're not where you're at'cause you're fucking spending all your time with your fucking mom.

Skip:

It could be there. Yeah. And before you, you're doing a self analyzation. It's not us sitting here going, there is your problem. Yeah. But it's definitely something. Take a look at.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

So my security, my masculinity, and where I'm at in life, a 49-year-old about to be 50, is I wouldn't be the pe purity that I'm right now if my parents were still Amen.

Casey:

And I hadn't stepped away from my dad. You told me that early in our marriage. You go, I will not be with you if you're still your daddy's little girl.

Skip:

And also raised. Two daughters with my mom and dad alive.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

And it was, I was not the dad that I'm now.

Casey:

Very true. Yep. Okay. This one says, I'd love for Skip to give his thoughts on the things that you've said or done to help him feel secure while still cutting through the bullshit. As you discovered yourself and your non-negotiables, were there any moments where he realized a, okay, we're playing by new rules and I gotta get on board, but B, is it safe to have those conversations and not attack on me? Nor will she love me less if she knows every bit of me. How did he decide to let go of ego and stereotype programming to operate with you? It's it at your highest frequency.

Skip:

As far as to try to understand what could you please?

Casey:

They're hard, aren't they? They're women. This is how women ask questions and I have to always say, can y'all please gimme your question? God dammit. Okay, so read it again. All right. Their question is pretty much, I have to sometimes run it through ai. I'm like, what's she asking? All right. As I discovered myself, okay, pretty much what, at what point did you go, oh shit, she's changed, or things are changing, like I better get on board.

Skip:

It may be surprising, but I don't think considering any, I've never known a woman. That doesn't change a lot, consistently, drastically, all the time.

Casey:

Whether it's the furniture or hair or fucking style or friends,

Skip:

something. Yeah, something. So can, I'm gonna assume that she's normal. She, yeah. And will you reread that question?

Casey:

But hold on. She is stepping into, she's just starting to go into her to make

Skip:

some changes. Yes. And it's shaking shit up, but she thinks it's going to shake shit up because she thinks she don't change that much. Okay. And what I would love to know, like what is she expecting to happen as she continues to change? What areas would he provide would be unsafe? It sounds

Casey:

like what's happening is she's trying to get him on board. That's what it sounds like. All these fights are coming from women try to get their men on board and that causes problems. And then the, he thinks,

Skip:

okay. All right. So yeah, I think that's exactly right. That's the pitfall right there. The pitfall, because they need

Casey:

their husbands to get it. And you don't? No. Did I ever need you to get it when I was highly co-dependent?

Skip:

Plus you wouldn't have been able to ever get me to get it.

Casey:

How how? What did I do? I just fucking went.

Skip:

Yeah. Just start doing it. And and you wouldn't ever even have expected me. You gave me no feeling that if I said no, that you would stop. To the point that I didn't. I wasn't along with you with psychics. I wasn't along with you with marijuana. I wasn't along with you with the way you talked to people. I wasn't along with you with the way you cuss all the time. I wasn't along with you with much anything.

Casey:

My spirituality.

Skip:

Nope. And you pretty much made fun of every bit of that shit about me.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

Our dynamic may have been different from the beginning,

Casey:

what do you

Skip:

mean? Meaning that I don't feel like you were looking for a man and if I wanted to be around you, that I was gonna have to fall in line, and somehow we'd all get this thing together and I give

Casey:

you space to be you too. It's not like it's my way the fucking highway. You do what you wanna do and if you like. What do you think?

Skip:

I don't think I don't know. I just think that it's not a, it's, it, I've always been a fixer and you have an endless amount of problems.

Casey:

Okay. I need a lot of, I need a lot of, I need a lot of what do you call it? Me and Grady both are like, we need a lot of attention. I.

Skip:

Yeah it's sometimes more than any one person should ever be able to give, but my suggestion to this question would be do that be that

Casey:

what blaze a trail.

Skip:

Just yeah. Imagine a, a ship going through the ocean. Yeah. It's leaving a trail, not following one. Yeah. Okay. She wants these women are wanting the man to provide the trail for them to follow. No. We're best to just get behind you and see where you're going and make sure that there's no ice beside me. Iceberg, that you may be coming up on

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

That's how I live. And if you get close to the iceberg or whatever, I'm gonna jump on that. And you have,

Casey:

we've, and there's been a couple things in our life where you're like, Hey, Casey, this was a no go. And I will stop working with somebody

Skip:

because I never, I don't do that. He

Casey:

doesn't, it's been very rare. And when he says, and when he does that you trust me too, like I trust you. Trust you. We didn't, we know. Yeah. Okay. So is it safe to have these conversations without an attack on me? Or will she love me? Okay. How did he decide to let go of ego stereotype? Okay. Yeah, we already done that. So money. How do y'all handle money in your marriage? Is it combined except business? Totally separate. Hybrid again, does everyone start. Playing from the same sheet of music and feel safe being a hundred transparent. Oh God. I never say combined money. I'd shoot your ass if we shared an account

Skip:

and then that was part of my masculinity to surrender.

Casey:

What?

Skip:

That's what we've talked about that the, like You are you won't, I don't even know our passwords to our accounts.

Casey:

I don't keep it from you.

Skip:

You No, but there's no reason for me to ask.

Casey:

I wish he would. I'm like, skip, just look in LastPass. Oh, fuck it. Then I won't. Okay. No,

Skip:

because of how you, you move stuff around, I don't even Sure. You know what's in different places and I'll be damned if you're gonna blame any of that shit on me. So what we do is we, if this thing was ever to financially fucking burn up, I don't want my fingerprints on her.

Casey:

So what we do is we separate, so our business our business makes money. We're paid as a W2 employee, both of us. And we get paid, every week. And we withhold taxes. And that's what we do. That's how we do money. Always separate.

Skip:

And we've, but even from the very beginning of us being together, that you were not, you had your own, you brought your own money and I had to fucking, you were not, you were gonna take care of yourself and not going to rely on any motherfucker for money. Always. Day one. Day one. That was never. So from day one, I knew what type of chick I had.

Casey:

Yeah. That's why you fucking wifey that shit. I'm just, okay. It says okay, cool. And then this one says as I've been involved, my husband thinks and fears I'm gonna leave him behind as I grow. So how can I help him? And you don't.

Skip:

No. He just gotta decide how much he gonna follow you.

Casey:

And women gotta be okay with letting him go.

Skip:

They got to, you have to let him go, otherwise they're not gonna have him.

Casey:

Yeah. Yep. Okay. This one.

Skip:

And let it go. When we say let him go. You afraid to let him go because that means he's gonna go see Darlene down the street. Ooh, we ain't ever even talking about the same relationship. No,

Casey:

because so many women, here's what's gonna happen. They're gonna energetically think letting him go now, they're gonna start being a bitch to him now so they can fight now. So they can blame him for whatever. So she can be the victim. The

Skip:

program doesn't work.

Casey:

Yeah. Now the program doesn't work.

Skip:

Yeah. That's the same thing as religion. They could go pray for him and then

Casey:

it's, we're, what we're saying is this, let's say you wanna lose weight. Every time I lose weight he, he has a problem. So you're gonna have to just lose weight anyway and be okay with him having problems like,'cause you're not his emotional fucking all about you. It's, yeah it's, you're not responsible for his emotions. And so when you trust that he's gonna be okay either way, and you choose yourself, that's what we mean. Now, if it gets to, to the point where, it's, he's really in his shit, you've gotta have the emotional intelligence. And wherewithal to be in your own energy and be like, Hey man, I'm not gonna have this conversation. You need to go take a drive. Go fish, go hunt. Go do something. But if you have deep insecurities of if I don't do this and he won't stay with me, now there's your problem.

Skip:

Yeah. And you gotta deal with the deep insecurities first, even if they do.

Casey:

Yeah. So I think that's really what a lot of you girls are going through. It's like the reason why you don't wanna let him go and you don't wanna lead yourself is'cause you deep down, maybe think he's gonna leave you or you're not gonna be a good wife, or you're gonna, there's some fear that maybe you need to sit with.

Skip:

And time matters too, with all these questions, man. If you've been together two years Yeah. Then our point of view isn't even

Casey:

that's, it's irrelevant.

Skip:

Yeah. But if you want, if you're looking at maybe eight of 20 years,

Casey:

yeah.

Skip:

Now you still can look at. Dependent, you can be codependent for the first 15 years. And also

Casey:

being religious, we're not religious. So marriage the paperwork didn't mean shit to we didn't, it don't mean shit to us. We're illegally. It's smarter to be married because of, taxes. But okay, this says and that's the cool thing. And it skip, when we got divorced energetically, we still chose to be with each other. And our marriage deepened.

Skip:

Yes.

Casey:

When we decided like, why are we even married? And we energetically got divorced. This was all through Amara. We told all about it if you're in that program, magic B, we realized that marriage was built on owning ownership. It was created based on ownership on land. It wasn't created by divinity, even though religion backs it and shit. And I was like, what feels better to me is I wanna be with someone because they choose me and it, they choose me every year, not because I made some fucking bullshit. Oh, I promise till death do his part. What about five years later when this motherfucker's, it's not it's not, good. You still wanna be with each other. And energetically it's like we choose to be life partners. And that meant so much. Everything got better after that, didn't it? Yeah. It's like we don't have to be together, but I'm choosing to be with you. Oh my God. So much better. This says yeah, every, this is another question. Just codependency. How did he get on board? And my husband's constantly stressed about money and his number one stressor. And how do you help your kids navigate through this? You have to choose yourself and lead. You've gotta stop carrying the weight of the whole family. You've gotta choose yourself and fucking lead. This is why women are, oh, this one's a good one. Okay. This one's a good one. All right. This one's different. So this says, alright, all this work with Casey, I upgrade to magic. Being a morning I finally listen to her saying, fuck the fear of leaving him behind or becoming disappointed in me and let down. And it says okay. Okay. Since having done that, my husband's more open now than ever, and where's the one? How did, okay. I'd love to hear you interview him about his perspective, testimony from the beginning to now, especially how he has aligned with your energy and power and secretly interested in his journey with working into the ministry, in the ministry to where you are today, and why all that changed for you and changed him forever. You know how you were big time in the gemstones man, you led people with thousands to Christ, like she wants to know that.

Skip:

How'd that go from there to here? Yes. Even speaking in that language in regards to Jesus, let's just say he started his ministry at 13 and then they crucified him at 33. I gave my life to Christ at 13. And I guess it would've been the invitation of Christ coming instead of the Do you follow Jesus? That I actually committed to, because when I was 33, that's when Christ came back.

Casey:

Christ consciousness.

Skip:

Yes. And then I bel I incorporated everything that I had learned from ministry and the Bible and everything, and realized at that point that I shouldn't have really have shared it with anyone else. That it was all for me and I needed to figure it out. So my religious, evangelical life imploded inwards. So really you, so as hard as I ever worked on any crusade to save souls, I went in to find mine. So it flipped everything inside out. Yeah. So here I am now transformed. As a cater pillar into a butterfly in regards of Christianity, in regards of Christ consciousness. The Buddha, Paul, God raised up. Yep. Toast all of it, so the, if heaven on earth, this is it, I'm speaking from it.

Casey:

But you went to the new Earth that you were on the old earth back then. Yeah. Yep. So

Skip:

address

Casey:

is the same. Address is the same. Yeah. You said something,

Skip:

but that's it was a, I was a seeker from the word go from the whole reason from 13, this is what I wanted. I believe that there was a heaven on earth. Yeah. And a way to get there.

Casey:

You told me. Didn't you get saved though, outta fear? You said you got saved'cause you don't wanna go to help. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Skip:

But I shared, not out of fear. I shared out of, I made a decision when I was 13 and now here I am 18 and I'm a major league baseball player. And you didn't have sex,

Casey:

but you didn't have sex and all that, but you had massively, didn't have sex, didn't drink. Didn't have sex. I was

Skip:

seriously immature, socially and emotional

Casey:

and suppressed. You had lots of anger, rage problems, suppressed anger, suppressed depression. You spiritually bypassed what it sounds like, huh? Bypassed being the human. Yeah. Okay. And and what do you, what, why all of that changed you forever?

Skip:

What it's supposed to do?

Casey:

Yeah,

Skip:

that's what I wanted it be.

Casey:

So you're so if somebody's that way now and they're all like, I'm for Jesus and I'm for ge.

Skip:

Not that's the thing, man. It was. That's it. At. There's a message that Jesus is saying, and then there's a religion formed around the man that killed it as Jesus. Okay. You gotta figure out which one's which. Okay. And that's it. That's a whole nother how I still share the same story. I'm just, it's describing my experience in graduate school versus kindergarten.

Casey:

Yeah. Okay. And we're getting there. I think this is the last one. How did, how do you help motivate each other when one seems to be more successful at certain times than the other? I know my answer.

Skip:

What was the question again?

Casey:

How do you help motivate each other when one seems to be, do you

Skip:

ever try to motivate me?

Casey:

Fuck no. I

Skip:

don't try to motivate you.

Casey:

We, I know. I can't believe people would live like this. No,

Skip:

you have to.'cause there's a lot of, what do I need to say to you to get you to be who I want you to be? That's motivation,

Casey:

that's manipulation.

Skip:

Oh, maybe they don't know the difference between two.

Casey:

Yeah.'cause I had a girl, she said I said this, I was posting something nice and now you're gonna do this. And I'm like, you're manipul. That's manipulation.

Skip:

So motivating and manipulation is fuck. And most people are manipulating when they think they're motivating. Yeah. Okay. And

Casey:

we don't motivate each other. Never have. We support each other. Dude, you could do this. We're

Skip:

very competitive.

Casey:

Holy shit.

Skip:

We're so competitive that you may consider us not very competitive because we're on another spectrum of competitors.

Casey:

Gimme an example so they can understand

Skip:

if, when I saw you becoming successful at something that I always dreamed to be successful.'cause you can tell all these people, I was fucking had this whole business model in my head way before I ever met you.

Casey:

Uhhuh.

Skip:

It just. You tracked it and ran with it and fucking found the new age shit. And I, and, but it was what I always felt was my idea. I was already tapped into what was gonna be later in my life. That we've talked about that before. I forgot what the question was. How

Casey:

you motivate each other. We don't, you need, say competitive. How, what? Give an example

Skip:

because when I be you being very successful, I immediately look around and see what can I be successful at?'cause you ain't gonna be the only one successful in this family. Okay. Yeah. And I'm fully know that if you handed me the bank accounts and I handed you the two kids and we had a week to figure it out, that we would be equally stressed, but after a week we would get it figured out and you could be the mommy and I could be the money. Yeah. So motivating pure com competition. If you start having abs, then I, and there's something wrong with me if I don't. No. I can tell when I start getting in shape this last time, you scampered around, man, you maybe do an animal, maybe do this. I'm gonna do this. You try do that. You developed a whole AI system to train you so you could keep up with me, Jesus. Even if you didn't. I see things that way. So we're highly competitive, but we're not,

Casey:

once again, we lead ourselves. Everybody's wondering what we do. We have, we lead ourselves. We don't worry about what you're doing. I don't worry about motivating.

Skip:

I'm not gonna let you be better at being Casey. Then I can be skipped. Yeah. Okay. If you're doing what it takes to make your face look better, yeah. Then I should at least have the option to, okay, I can turn down Botox if I want, but at least give me the option.

Casey:

Yeah. Yeah.

Skip:

Would I be mad if you didn't? No. Do I want you to? No. Is that competitiveness? Yeah. Hey, you're changing the game, man.

Casey:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, so that's, this is good. This is very competitive. Yeah. Very competitive. Don't, do not tell us to play a board game together. Fuck and shit. So house would be broken down. Skip

Skip:

Yeah. But I will die for a teammate like you and I. We'll go through war together because

Casey:

he always says refrigerator. Tell them just to like, to end this, to end this segment. Tell them when you say refrigerator, Casey. Refrigerator What? Tell me why. I had no idea. That was such a pivotal moment in our relationship.

Skip:

We had, I wanna say we had to move the refrigerator out of the kitchen down steps and put it in the BA back.

Casey:

I don't

Skip:

know. Okay. We had to go downstairs. No, we were, we had a new refrigerator that we had bought and brought it to the house, and the refrigerator was in the back of the truck standing up. Like you would carry a refrigerator and it needed to get out of the back of the truck and up a flight of stairs into the kitchen where it was gonna be nestled for the rest of its life. And

Casey:

we were poor. So of course we did this shit ourselves. Now we would be like, no.

Skip:

And so that I didn't see any way possible. This 112 pound girl, that's more talkative than helpful sometimes when you're trying to pick something up. There was no way we were getting this refrigerator into the house and it wasn't even get through the sc We had to get through a screen door at the top of the stairs. And I didn't have a, we didn't have a hand truck or nothing.

Casey:

I don't re, I don't remember, but you say this all the time.

Skip:

I've never in my life. So what happened? You didn't quit like you were gonna get that fucking refrigerator in there. As bad as I've felt like it was. You were trying as hard as you could to figure out a way with me to get that refrigerator into the house. And there was just looking at it logically, there was just no possible way we were gonna do it. But we figured out how to fucking build the pyramids because I don't, that was a 300 pound refrigerator that helped how we get it

Casey:

in,

Skip:

man I don't, I think we tipped it back out on one step, lifted it up, ran around. I held one side while you held another, then do it to the next step, the next. So just teamwork. And that showed you, then we got to the top of the stairs like seven stairs and it wouldn't fit through the screen door. So now somebody's sitting there gotta fucking hold it the whole time till we get the screen door off. And I was sitting there holding it and then you had to get the screen door off and you were fucking girl. I didn't know you could do anything. It's crazy. So got, we got everything all the way in there

Casey:

and then once a couple more times you knew that, hey, this bitch is built. She built different, something about your boat.

Skip:

Oh yeah. When you could just drive like I. I could show you one time it was hard to drive and you Yeah. And then you said responsible.

Casey:

When did you know I was responsible? Because you left your, like you your kids, something you just said. You

Skip:

just knew we partied hard

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

Around pretty irresponsible people and situations. Yeah. And you were always on the responsible side of Yeah. Everything. So plus you had just forced sense about you when we were hanging out kind of redneck, like this definitely redneck, street sense.

Casey:

Yep.

Skip:

Rough.

Casey:

Yep. Little messy, little ghetto. Yeah.

Skip:

You were gonna either fight people your whole life or put down my yard.

Casey:

That's it, man. I, you've had to put down the club and I had to put down the fight for real. For real.

Skip:

And it wasn't'cause you had to fight. It was the only thing you knew. It's

Casey:

all I knew.

Skip:

So you're going, if you got with a guy, you're gonna fight him. If that motherfucker couldn't handle it, then you were moving on to somebody else. You'd have fought yourself over drugs, alcohol,

Casey:

pills. Oh God,

Skip:

yeah man, we

Casey:

yep. It's been a while. But so there, there's the refrigerator story and there's all this Yeah,

Skip:

they, that refrigerator story just said, man, there ain't gonna be nothing that we can't at least take it one step at a time and at work.

Casey:

Now here's my thing about cheating though. Did you know Jay-Z cheated on Beyonce and she stayed with him and they since got over it and all that shit.

Skip:

Got videos of it.

Casey:

But like to me, a woman, if a man cheats on you, like even if he's in his, because I understand. Remember when I was pregnant, I can tell

Skip:

you right now that if you had cheated on me, let's just say, you told me right now that you hooked up with any of the fucking guys that you talked to back then.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

I wouldn't care now.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

At all.

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

I always felt like if I had, let's say, with any of the girls that I fucking got close to, like when I was too close to Crystal when I was helping her build her business instead of yours. Remember that? Yeah. And it was my form of feeling needed. Oh yeah. That's the closest I've ever come to. And in my mind, it wasn't replacing you, it was just I was giving her something that belonged to you.

Casey:

Yeah. My thing is at what point do you stay in the relationship? For me, personally, if you're going through something, I can see why people cheat because it's just a form of sabotage. It's all that, but,

Skip:

and you can have a very successful relationship not being monogamous.

Casey:

Very true.

Skip:

Okay. I, that's just not me, but I know I would rather be around people who are like that. Yeah. As long as they don't want it out of our relationship, we're around people who've fucking, I've been friends with Sawyers before.

Casey:

Yeah. Yeah.

Skip:

And they have good I think a good relationship's, just a good partnership. Partnership. Good agreement on what you guys

Casey:

Yeah.

Skip:

And then if you get to the point to where your spiritual growth is gonna separate you from him, then it's time to do that.

Casey:

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